NPOCP: Audi R8 4.2 for $95k

"Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager" (Nighthawkwill7)
08/02/2014 at 02:54 • Filed to: Npocp

I don't think I've ever seen an R8 for sale at under a hundred grand. What say you?

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DISCUSSION (57)

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 02:56

Nice, but I don't like the color.

Manuél Ferrari > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 02:57

Wat

I'm literally searching for R8s at the same exact time as you

I look for deals on R8 manuals, F430 manuals, and Gallardo manuals every day...

You've never seen an R8 4.2 below $100K?

I once saw one with 50K miles on it for $65K. And this was a couple years ago. I should have bought it. I tried to haggle with the sales guy and he just said no. It had the gated shifter too.

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 03:01

Can't say I've looked at ones for sale very often so I'm not familiar with the usual prices. You should have hopped on it.

*sad panda*

Manuél Ferrari > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 03:03

So many cars I could have bought and didn't.

That one

I could have got a 997.2 GT3 instead of adding the M3 to the 911

Could have got a Ford GT in 2005 instead of buying a house that lost a ton of value

Could have bought an E30 M3 3-4 years ago when they were still cheap

Could have sold all the cars a year ago and bought an F430 Scud for $150K. Now the good ones are $200K

First world problems...

Manuél Ferrari > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 03:04

Here is a higher mileage V8 for $80K

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

Manuél Ferrari > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 03:06

Um, I think I'm screwed

I'm on CL now seeing who will buy my kidney

Mother of God...

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 03:06

The next car you have the opportunity to buy, you buy it no matter what.

Inb4daewoofoundoncraigslistat3AM

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 03:08

1) Sell M3

2) Sell 911

3) Sell House

4) Buy R8

5) Move into the local Motel 6

6) ???

7) Profit

Manuél Ferrari > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 03:10

Lol

I just had an idea

I'm going to call everyone who is selling a manual R8 tomorrow. Don't care which color or which engine or what location. Don't care if coupe or spyder. All I care about is Manuél.

When I call I will say "I will buy this from you right fucking now for $20K less than list price. What do you say?"

Maybe someone will do it

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 03:11

That front plate bracket is hella ugly but all in all, NP.

Thank goodness for no front plates in Florida or Puerto Rico.

Manuél Ferrari > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 03:12

I accept this plan

Except with one modification: change #5 from Motel 6 to Ali Baba Motel. Which is 18 miles from me. Check it out:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g…

Never stayed there. I think it was built in the late 50s or early 60s. And I heard that's where people go to buy heroin.

Manuél Ferrari > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 03:14

Wait wat

You don't have to mount front plates?

I mean I don't do it myself. But I'm supposed to. I'm always risking a ticket...

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 03:16

Nope, we don't have to. :)

Ferrero1911 > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 04:22

This is why even though California requires front plates I made sure my car was delivered without the dealership drilling holes in my bumper. Someday it will help my resale value!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 06:09

OMG

Jayhawk Jake > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 09:31

New ones aren't that much more. And as much as I love R8s (and I freaking love R8s), no way I'm I spending that much for a 5 year old R8.

I don't get how or why they are holding their value this well. Maybe it's because it's gone virtually unchanged for the last 5 years? Hopefully whenever Audi does a true new generation the values plummet. They should be more like $75k already IMO

Jayhawk Jake > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 09:32

Mother of god...

Jayhawk Jake > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 09:34

You won't know til you ask.

There's been a raggedy NB miata on local Cl for months. Asking $2800, which is too much. I emailed and asked what's the absolutely lowest they would go. $2600. Hah hah hah nope

Manuél Ferrari > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 12:34

niiiiooce

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 12:36

kind of interesting color combo huh?

Blue on black except with reddish seats

Manuél Ferrari > Jayhawk Jake
08/02/2014 at 12:38

Offer them $1000 plus something you have and don't want anymore.

Like an old TV or game system

No Prius Needed > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 12:53

That one had a salvage title though.

Manuél Ferrari > No Prius Needed
08/02/2014 at 12:54

it did? I thought it was clean. It was at an Audi dealer and I didn't think they could sell a salvage car. It was a while ago though, so you could be right. I can't remember all the details

No Prius Needed > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 12:56

I am pretty sure we are talking about the same one but I do remember drooling over it and then reading that it had a salvage title.

Manuél Ferrari > No Prius Needed
08/02/2014 at 13:02

I can't even remember when it was. Might have been 2 years ago. Now I hope it was the same one because I won't feel bad anymore if it had a salvage title!!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 15:06

WANT

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 15:14

LOOK at this:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

Too bad it's in Florida

I want to see an orange Scud in person!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 16:22

WUT

IS THIS REAL LIFE

NEED

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 16:25

it's real!!!

The photos could be a bit off. That is a real paint that's kind of red orange. It might be showing up more orange in the pics than in real life

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 16:28

You're probably right. I don't think I've ever seen an orange Ferrari.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 16:32

I saw one once. It was custom order.

This one seems to be poor photography. Or Ferrari messed up the paint badly , haha

Here is a better pic of this color. It's supposedly the color their F1 cars use right now

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 17:45

That looks red.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 17:54

Correct

Supposedly you see the orange in it in real life

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 18:12

Damn, now I HAVE to see it in real life.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 18:17

How far are you from PA?

This Scuderia Rosso F430 Spider Il Manuél is for sale there.

It has a damn wrap on it though!

http://www.auto.com/cars/Ferrari-F…

It has pretty much zero options.

If you can get them to remove the wrap so you can approve the color AND drop the price $40K then I'll buy it!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 18:40

LOL I'll act as a representative.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 18:43

"I am Rusto's right hand man. If you want to have a chance of selling this car to him then you need to let me hoon the living shit out of it right now. If I'm not able to break it then he'll buy it"

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 19:01

LOL perfect. I'm not sure if they'll listen to a 19 year old though.

"We can't let a mere child go near our car, Mr Rusto. I'm sorry, but you'll have to just fly out."

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 19:13

That's when you show them the power of attorney that lets you buy the car for me

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/02/2014 at 19:36

Step 2: hoon without telling Rusto

Step 3: give car to Rusto

samssun > Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager
08/02/2014 at 21:13

So here's a question. R8 4.2, or supercharged RS4 that can run 10.6 @ 130?

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > samssun
08/02/2014 at 21:16

Depends on whether you want a mid engined coupe or a modified sedan. Tough to choose which.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/02/2014 at 23:16

almost perfect

One edit : hoon AND tell Rusto

So I finally drove the car today

Much disappoint

So sad

Need to give you full write up from laptop. On mobile now

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/03/2014 at 11:10

What?!?! I'm shocked. Must read write-up.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/03/2014 at 11:36

too distraught

Much sadness

Many letdown

Our Lord and Savior Manuél Gates has let us down :(

Need coffee before I can get to laptop. Still in bed moping. I'll paste what I just sent to Evan Mcm for now

thank you for the emotional support. So funny how bummed we both got about this. We really are Ferrari addicted.

I was so let down that I lost all energy last night and had to go to bed early. And I still feel tired and weak now. So either I'm sick and don't have any symptoms other than fatigue or I'm physically worn down from the car not being what I thought, haha.

I have questions to run by you and idea and on other cars but I need to first find a lot of coffee to snap out of this funk

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/03/2014 at 12:37

WHY MANUÉL!?!?!?

Time for R8.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/03/2014 at 13:38

On laptop now

This is going to be a long comment...

I'm gonna make one mega comment to detail everything for you and Evan

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/03/2014 at 13:39

Y U NO MAKE ACTUAL POST?!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/03/2014 at 13:41

I thought about that

I dunno I don't like talking about exotics to everyone

Some people get pissed and are all like "Jalopnik is about jalopy cars, not expensive cars. Take your fancy ass out of here and buy a Miata god damn it"

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/03/2014 at 13:42

Once you have your first exotic we might need to become regulars on 6speedonline where we can talk about fancy cars without people being judgmental... Only problem is that people aren't as funny there

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/03/2014 at 13:46

I don't people are that judgemental. We're all friends here!

Once I buy a 4C I'll just talk down to everyone like all stereotypical supercar owners.

"I'm not saying I'm better than you, but my car's better. So yeah."

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/03/2014 at 14:07

I'm not saying at all that most people are. Very, very few are like that. 99% of opponauts are awesome. I just don't want to piss off that remaining 1%. I try to keep everyone happy, haha.

Also I just don't want to rub it in as 99% of people do want an exotic car but can't buy one. I kind of feel bad about talking about exotics sometimes...

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/03/2014 at 14:08

mega comment:

1. Condition: the car was fucked. It had a clean Carfax but that means nothing. I've been screwed over by dealers before. They hide accidents or fender benders using the clean Carfax. Not everything gets reported to insurance, sometimes people pay out of pocket to avoid soiling the Carfax report.

It looked like the entire car had been resprayed. My dad spotted the first clues then we both found more and more of them. Looked like a shitty job too.

Why the hell would a 12K car need to be repainted? Did someone pour battery acid on it? Maybe the owner fucked over a girlfriend so she ruined his car.

2. How hard had the car been driven? My guess - very hard. It was flashing an E DIFF error that the dealer was waiting on a sensor for. They were all like "you can buy it today and take it home and bring it back when the part gets here". Uh huh. How fucking stupid do they think I am? How can they possibly think that anyone that could afford a 6 figure car could possibly be that dumb? They asked me what I do and know I'm a business owner. You need at least average intelligence to run a business. If I was a trust fund baby then yeah maybe I'd be that dumb. But a trust fund baby would just buy a new Ferrari… The dealer is the dumb one.

On top of the error the dealer only had one of the keys, no cover, didn't have the OEM exhaust, or the full set of books or window sticker. Any responsible Ferrari owner would avoid losing that much stuff. This guy probably makes a ton of money and didn't give a shit about the car. He got it new, hooned the living piss out of it, then pawned it off on a dealer to deal with. Funny thing is that this dealer bought it from another dealer. So they were so dumb that they let the other dealer pass the problem on to them! They didn't even check out the car before buying it. They probably got so excited about a red on tan Manuél that they just jumped on it. Idiots…

Manuél seems like he had been abused. He wasn't comfortable shifting into 2nd. It took a lot more effort to get him into 2nd than the other gears. The clutch was a bit stiff but I've heard that's what all Ferraris are like. I dunno if all F430s would feel like this or if this particular one had been abused so bad that poor Manuél was not performing at his best. But the overall setup was not as nice as the one Manuél Gallardo that I've driven.

3. The car didn't seem to perform that well. It didn't seem to pull like my Dad's spider does. My dad's car revs so fast that you have to keep your eyes glued to the tach if you're shifting manually because before you know it you're at redline and it's time to pull the paddle. This car just didn't seem to do that. I dunno if it just felt slower because it's not F1 or if the engine was sick.

4. The wonderful noises I get from my dad's spider were all missing. I rolled the windows down to hear the soundtrack but it was so different than his F1 spider. I didn't seem to here much or any overrun. And I didn't hear the nice cracks and burbles that you get when downshifting with F1. I wasn't rev matching as I'm not good at that yet and I wasn't used to this transmission. But I went to YouTube today and checked videos of F430 owners rev matching their downshifts on 3 pedal cars. I found a couple guys that were really good at it. But still the burbles were lacking. The engine sounded so much more tame, just like the Manuél Gallardo I test drove. It didn't have the awesome sounds that the spider has that makes you feel like you're in a race car. I guess those sounds are all manufactured to work with F1? I've never driven an E Gear Gallardo. Maybe it sounds more dramatic than the Manuél Gallardo as well?

5. Here is the most depressing thing - driving the Manuél F430 felt like one of those "don't meet your heroes" moments. A sample size of 1 is too small to know for sure as this car definitely wasn't in top shape so it's possible that the transmission was wonky. But if the transmission was fine then it would be bad because the overall experience wasn't what I expected. It's probably because we on Oppo are so indoctrinated to believe that gated manuals are the path to heaven. We build it up in our heads so much that we expect to feel pure ecstasy and joy when we drive one of our favorite cars in Manuél configuration. Maybe the experience will never live up to our expectations? I hate to say it but this was the first time when I kind of understood why Ferrari doesn't make stick shift cars anymore. In my 997 the stick feels great, and despite how good PDK is I never feel like I'm driving the inferior car. But in the F430 the 3 pedal setup felt kind of clumsy. It kind of felt like the transmission didn't suit the car. I'm kind of understanding what Victorious Secret has been preaching about for so long.

But no, nevermind, don't listen to any of this. This car was just jacked. Manuél is our Lord and Savior. Down with paddles. Car Gods - please excuse my sin and strike what I just said from your memory. It was just a momentary flash of weakness. Us humans can't be perfect 100% of the time.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/03/2014 at 14:26

Maybe the owner fucked over a girlfriend so she ruined his car.

LOL

WTF!!!!!!

That sucks. Poor Manuél. Don't judge him like this in his time of weakness. You need to find another one. Then drive it. A sample size of 2 should be enough to evaluate Manuél. Then you'll know.

You should drive an R8 too to see if it's any different.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/03/2014 at 14:30

Haha glad you liked that part. That's probably what happened!

I definitely need to find another F430 Manuél to compare. Maybe even 4 moar cars, just to be safe! It will take a while. But we owe it to our good buddy to be objective!

I do want to drive an R8 too. They had one there that was an AMAZING, AMAZING, AMAZING blue. I don't know which blue it was, I should have asked. It was sold though. And it was the first gen flappy paddle...

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
08/03/2014 at 14:32

First gen R8 gearbox...

ew.

You must drive one.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
08/03/2014 at 14:36

Must drive them all

This all makes me wonder

Is the 16M the car I've always been destined to buy?

Dat blue one in Salt Lake City has been calling my name for ages. Nobody will buy it, because blue... Everyone is too scared of resale value. Apparently even white Ferraris sell better than blue ones!